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On this "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" broadcast, moderated by Ed O'Keefe:
Retired Gen. Frank McKenzie, erstwhile commandant of U.S. Central Command
Democratic Gov. Wes Moore of Maryland
Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who heads the Catholic Archdiocese for the Military Services, USA
A sheet with Amy Walter, steadfast and editor-in-chief of the Cook Political Report; David Sanger, a White House and nationalist information analogous astatine The New York Times; and Jeff Mason, a White House analogous astatine Bloomberg.
Jared Isaacman, NASA administrator
Click here to browse afloat transcripts from 2026 of "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan."
ED O'KEEFE: I'm Ed O'Keefe successful Washington.
And this week connected Face the Nation: The missing unit subordinate from a downed combatant pitchy successful Iran is rescued successful a daring mission.
Plus: Artemis II makes its mode astir the moon.
Breaking overnight, a U.S. Air Force serviceman successful Iran rescued live aft an urgent two-day manhunt involving peculiar operations forces successful a distant country of Iran wherever the F-15E combatant pitchy went down. We volition get details connected the cognition and President Trump's threats to escalate attacks unless Iran reopens the Strait of Hormuz. Former CENTCOM commandant retired General Kenneth Frank McKenzie joins america to interruption it each down.
Plus, we volition perceive from Maryland's Democratic Governor Wes Moore astir the war's effects present astatine location and investigation from our governmental panel.
On this Easter Sunday, Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who oversees Catholic chaplains successful the military, shares the spiritual guidance he's offering work members during wartime.
Then:
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JEREMY HANSEN (Artemis II Crew Member): To ticker the satellite turn is exciting. That's our destination. That's wherever we're locked onto.
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ED O'KEEFE: Tomorrow, the unit of Artemis II makes history, becoming the archetypal humans to spot immoderate parts of the acold broadside of the moon. NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman gives america a ngo update.
It's each conscionable up connected Face the Nation.
Good morning, and invited to Face the Nation. Margaret is disconnected today.
But we statesman with immoderate bully quality this Easter Sunday morning, arsenic that rescued serviceman is being flown to Kuwait to beryllium treated for his injuries erstwhile his combatant pitchy got changeable down Friday.
President Trump posted connected TRUTH Social successful the aboriginal hours of this morning, "We got him," calling the cognition "an astonishing amusement of bravery and endowment by all."
As he's renewed threats to Iran successful caller days of intensifying subject operations if they don't negotiate, helium besides declared this greeting that Tuesday volition beryllium powerfulness works time and span day, each wrapped up successful one.
Senior nationalist information analogous Charlie D'Agata has details connected the mission.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA (voice-over): Video this greeting purports to amusement the smoldering wreckage of 2 U.S. C-130 130 transport planes that were progressive successful the rescue ngo connected a distant basal successful Iran. Sources archer america American forces blew them up successful bid to debar them falling into force hands, modular U.S. subject practice.
U.S. officials and White House sources picture a analyzable cognition involving dozens of U.S. commandos and respective twelve warplanes and helicopters successful the hunt and eventual rescue of the missing F-15 unit member.
Attack helicopters and craft kept Iranian forces from getting anyplace adjacent wherever the crewman was hiding. Armed Iranians had been scouring the mountainous terrain to find him first, with the committedness of a immense currency reward.
But a Trump medication authoritative tells CBS News the CIA was profoundly involved, not lone successful the hunt, but successful a ploy to dispersed mendacious accusation wrong Iran that U.S. forces had already recovered him and were transporting him by crushed retired of the country.
The contention to find the two-man F-15 unit began connected Friday. The aviator was rescued wrong hours of the combatant pitchy being brought down. He sustained immoderate injuries. We person learned the 2nd crewman is earnestly wounded, according to President Trump.
The downing of the pitchy came amid a fierce U.S. bombing run successful Iran, including blowing up Iran's biggest span linking Tehran to cardinal cities. Iran says much than a twelve radical were killed. And Iran has continued to retaliate, striking an lipid refinery successful Iraq, launching strikes crossed the Gulf from Bahrain to Kuwait, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, and much rocket barrages successful Israel.
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CHARLIE D'AGATA: Yesterday, President Trump again warned that clip is moving retired for Iran to unfastened up the Strait of Hormuz by time oregon the U.S. volition unleash hell. A elder Iranian person has rejected that ultimatum.
ED O'KEEFE: Charlie D'Agata successful London, convey you.
We're joined present by the erstwhile caput of U.S. Central Command, retired General Frank McKenzie.
General, Happy Easter.
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.) (Former Commander, U.S. Central Command): And the aforesaid to you, Ed.
ED O'KEEFE: So, it took conscionable nether 48 hours to find the missing weapons systems serviceman aft the pitchy they were successful went down successful a distant and mountainous country of Southwestern Iran. The weapons serviceman was hiding successful a mountainous crevice, we're told by a elder medication official.
What's your appraisal of however the search-and-rescue cognition went?
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.): So I deliberation I would gully 2 lessons from it, Ed, archetypal of all, the excellence of the associated force, our quality to rapidly pivot to look for a downed aerial crewman.
We bid for this endlessly. It's a portion of each clip we nonstop aerial unit implicit force territory. We person detailed, elaborate plans to spell get them. It's a precise basal portion of who we are arsenic American warring men and women. So that program swung into action. I deliberation it was executed beauteous effectively.
As always, you've got idiosyncratic connected the ground, whitethorn beryllium injured. They got to get to a presumption wherever they tin fell until you tin get to them. All that seemed to enactment retired precise well. And, you know, we did, successful fact, suffer a mates of craft successful that -- successful that mission.
But I would conscionable archer you, it takes a twelvemonth to physique an aircraft. It takes 200 years to physique a subject contented wherever you don't permission anybody behind. You instrumentality the craft commercialized immoderate time successful a concern similar this.
The different lesson, I think, is simply a hard acquisition for Iran. First of all, they were not capable to find the missing aerial crewman. Second, you know, they enactment retired a wide entreaty to their radical to crook him in, reward, asking for each kinds of leads. That does not look to person been successful.
And that would -- I deliberation that's possibly a motion of disaffection. Don't know. But you can't -- you can't beryllium blessed with that if you're a elder person successful Tehran this morning.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes, you know, Iran's Revolutionary Guards present claiming work for attacks connected petrochemical plants successful the UAE, Kuwait and Bahrain. They pass its attacks against U.S. economical interests volition intensify if attacks connected civilian targets successful Iran are repeated.
Does Iran and its proxies clasp the capableness to inflict superior harm astatine this point?
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.): Ed, they person the quality to inflict damage. They bash not person the quality to summation wide effects.
And by wide effects, I mean firing many, galore dozens of rockets, missiles oregon drones. I deliberation that capableness has been eroded steadily since this run began. And, frankly, astatine astir plus-30 days into this campaign, I think, if you're astatine Central Command, you've got to beryllium reasonably satisfied with wherever you are close now.
In fact, Ed, erstwhile I was the CENTCOM commander, if you had fixed maine this concern astatine plus-30 days, I would person rejected it arsenic being excessively optimistic by far. So we've had bully effect. Our effects are going to continue. It's going to beryllium progressively harder for them to motorboat missiles and rockets.
We whitethorn not get to zero for a while, and I deliberation there's inactive immoderate clip ahead, but everyone realizes that. But I deliberation we're connected way here. This run is moving precise effectively, and I judge the gait volition prime up each day.
ED O'KEEFE: To your earlier point, the president said thing absorbing to FOX News this morning, revealing for the archetypal clip that the U.S. earlier this twelvemonth had sent a -- punctuation -- "lot of guns" to the Kurds, who unrecorded successful Northern Iraq, Northern Iran for usage by protesters.
So, helium wanted them to usage these weapons and said -- you know, inferring present that helium was sending weapons to person the Iranian radical emergence up. On Wednesday night, though, successful his large code clarifying what the warfare is each about, helium said, this run is not astir authorities change.
But if they are now, successful fact, arming protesters, what mightiness that signal?
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.): Well, I deliberation you privation to enactment unit connected this authorities successful each mode that you can. Arming Kurds surely increases unit connected the Iranian regime.
We cognize from past that enactment successful Iran responds erstwhile existential unit is applied to the regime. Arming the Kurds moves you a measurement person toward that. Even if your eventual purpose is not authorities change, getting the authorities successful Tehran to a spot wherever they'll marque a woody that's to our liking is going to beryllium the inevitable by merchandise of intolerable unit that's placed implicit -- connected them.
And I deliberation each of these adhd unneurotic to bash that.
ED O'KEEFE: You said past week a occurrence for the White House is that the Strait of Hormuz reopens.
But that captious passageway, of course, remains efficaciously choked off. The president this Easter greeting utilized some, shall we say, colorful connection to endanger Iran again to reopen the strait.
If the U.S. launches its ain subject cognition successful the coming days to unfastened the strait, what's it going to instrumentality militarily to bash that?
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.): Well, fto maine -- fto maine say, archetypal of all, we bash person the quality to unfastened the strait should we take to bash it.
And what you're seeing present are the -- what I would telephone the precursor oregon the archetypal steps successful specified a campaign. You privation to trim Iran's quality to occurrence short-range rockets and missiles into the strait against warships. You privation to instrumentality retired their accelerated onslaught craft.
Think of them arsenic cigaret boats, large, almighty outboard motor boats, that tin contention retired and get among ships and origin nonstop harm that way. What we're doing is, we're going aft each those vessels. And that's wherever A-10s, onslaught aircraft, onslaught helicopters and different slow-moving, low-altitude platforms are truthful precise effective.
So we're successful the process of removing those close now. At the aforesaid time, we're moving to get escaped of Iran's excavation stockpile. The mines are precise dangerous. They had thousands erstwhile the warfare began. I person nary uncertainty we person importantly attrited now.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.): Of course, it doesn't instrumentality galore mines to origin a important blockage to satellite shipping. So, each of that is nether mode close now.
And you privation to trim those to a debased level earlier you enactment your warships up determination to really benignant of trial the waters successful that strait. I person nary thought what Admiral Cooper's decision-making process is going to beryllium for that, but I deliberation we're good connected the mode to achieving those goals.
ED O'KEEFE: Can the strait beryllium reopened with an aerial and naval campaign, oregon are you going to request crushed troops?
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.): I deliberation it could beryllium opened with an aerial and naval campaign.
And the usage of crushed troops would astir apt beryllium on the enactment of raids. And, remember, a raid is an onslaught with a planned withdrawal, wherever you don't program to stay. The 1 objection mightiness beryllium Kharg Island. I cognize the president has talked astir it. I deliberation it has a unsocial spot successful Iranian civilization due to the fact that of 1 thing.
If you prehend it, you're holding Iranian soil. Secondly, it is the captious mode done which each their lipid supplies pass. By seizing it, you person the accidental to chopped that off, inflicting grievous harm connected the Iranian economy, and yet with the accidental possibly to instrumentality it arsenic portion of a dialog process.
Further, you don't permanently harm the planetary system by destroying the infrastructure. So I deliberation Kharg Island is simply a precise lucrative target. I'm definite we're looking astatine it hard close now. I person nary thought if we're going to take to spell up there.
ED O'KEEFE: In our past 30 seconds oregon so, here, General, bottommost line, this. The president says 2 to 3 weeks is each that it's going to take.
Would you hold with that, oregon is it going to instrumentality longer?
GEN. FRANK MCKENZIE (RET.): You know, I ever hesitate to enactment clip connected a -- to enactment a timeline connected a subject cognition similar this, but I would accidental the Iranians would beryllium precise good served to perceive to President Trump erstwhile helium says he's going to deed him, due to the fact that he's -- he's proven that he's consenting to bash that.
So that's the acquisition I would larn from his astir caller pronouncement and from really what we've done successful the warfare to this date. If the president says we're going to bash something, we're astir apt going to bash it, and it astir apt is bully clip for the Iranian enactment to instrumentality enactment of that fact.
ED O'KEEFE: All right, we'll permission it there.
General McKenzie, blessed Easter again. Thank you for spending immoderate clip with america this morning. We admit it.
And Face the Nation volition beryllium backmost successful 1 minute. Stay with us.
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ED O'KEEFE: On Friday, we traveled to the Maryland Statehouse successful Annapolis to talk with the Democratic governor, Wes Moore.
The interrogation occurred soon aft we learned the U.S. combatant pitchy had been changeable down implicit Iran and earlier immoderate unit members had been rescued.
Here's our conversation.
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ED O'KEEFE: We're gathering amid an ongoing warfare that is having a spot of an effect connected the economy, rising state prices. Inflation keeps creeping up. It was a decent jobs study connected Friday, but owe rates are climbing and owe applications are down.
You observe this arsenic a governor, and you cognize that residents successful your authorities are feeling the economical pinch. What tin you bash arsenic a politician to code each of this?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE (D-Maryland): Well, we are feeling it.
And it is existent that, you know, a politician does not power the information that vigor prices person spiked implicit the past year. You know, my -- my mom's vigor measure successful March of past twelvemonth was $140. It's present creeping adjacent to $500. Governors don't person afloat power implicit that.
Governors can't power the information that state prices person gone up present implicit $1 due to the fact that we decided to participate into different warfare of choice, that governors cannot power the information that we are continuing to ticker homes go much hard and much expensive.
But the happening we tin bash arsenic governors is, we tin marque definite that, adjacent though I don't power the terms of food, that I tin marque definite that we're not doing terms manipulation and that these large corporations aren't gouging our customers, arsenic we're doing present successful the authorities of Maryland, you know, that I tin marque definite that, adjacent though we are watching vigor prices rise, that we tin clasp these information halfway companies accountable, and besides making definite we're giving a rebate and giving thing backmost to the radical of the authorities of Maryland, which we're doing here.
ED O'KEEFE: Even your support standing appears to person taken a deed successful caller days, astatine slightest successful 1 survey. And among those who disapproved, they cited raising taxes and fees.
There's been immoderate speech successful this authorities astatine slightest astir perchance waiving the state taxation for a small while. It is 1 of the higher ones successful the country. You accidental governors can't bash overmuch astir the state price. You could conceivably found a state terms holiday, no?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Yes, I mean, the champion happening that we could bash to beryllium capable to code state prices is by halt warring overseas wars and halt watching state prices leap up implicit $1.
ED O'KEEFE: So you hold with the president's mentation that it volition spell backmost down erstwhile the warfare is over?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: No, I disagree, due to the fact that I deliberation the president inactive does not person a afloat articulation arsenic to wherefore state prices are going up successful the archetypal spot oregon what's going to beryllium indispensable oregon required to beryllium capable to bring them down.
You know, I deliberation astir what we've done present successful Maryland to code that, wherever we've really fixed the mediate people successful Maryland a taxation cut, due to the fact that I bash judge that we request to springiness the mediate people a small spot of other alleviation now.
And we inquire the wealthiest of Marylanders to beryllium capable to put a small spot more, truthful we tin bash things similar having the rising, you know, increases successful speechmaking and mathematics scores similar we're seeing successful Maryland, and the information that Maryland present has amongst the fastest drops successful convulsive transgression anyplace successful the United States of America.
And we inquire the wealthiest of Marylanders to beryllium capable to bash much to enactment successful that.
ED O'KEEFE: So, state taxation vacation is disconnected the table, then, successful your view?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Yes, I deliberation we request to halt warring these -- these everlastingly wars.
And, you know, and I deliberation astir the information that we are -- we are precise dangerously -- we're lurching again into different everlastingly war. And this is simply a everlastingly warfare that is precise akin to the 1 that I fought in, wherever I led soldiers with the 82nd Airborne Division successful Afghanistan.
And I cognize that the United States was successful Afghanistan for 20 years, that it outgo this state implicit $2.5 trillion, that we mislaid implicit 2,400 American lives. And we did it due to the fact that we said we wanted to alteration the Taliban.
And 20 years later, you cognize who's successful complaint of Afghanistan? The Taliban. And truthful I consciousness similar we are lurching into different 1 of these everlastingly wars that we're asking the American radical to wage for, but we person inactive -- but the president of the United States and the commandant successful main has inactive yet to articulate what precisely it is that we're doing.
ED O'KEEFE: As we conscionable here, determination are search-and-rescue operations underway present wrong Iran due to the fact that a U.S. combatant pitchy has been changeable down. In caller days, the president suggested this cognition volition beryllium done successful 2 to 3 weeks.
That doesn't look to beryllium with you.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: It's -- this is sitting horribly with me, due to the fact that I'm reasoning astir these families. I'm reasoning astir the families of our work members who -- close present who are acrophobic to prime up the telephone due to the fact that they're acrophobic to perceive what is connected the different extremity of the line, that we had a president of the United States speech astir the subject occurrence that we person seen frankincense far, portion inactive admit -- without acknowledging the information of the agelong roadworthy ahead.
And nary 1 understands oregon tin -- has been articulated to america what precisely it is that we are doing oregon what occurrence looks like. And truthful I'm -- I'm praying for these families, but besides what I'm praying for is immoderate clarity from the White House.
ED O'KEEFE: You're giving 3 commencement addresses this play to members of the people of 2026. And 1 of them is astatine the subject prep schoolhouse that you attended.
A clump of those students whitethorn beryllium heading into the services close away. What would beryllium your connection to them?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I'm truthful arrogant of the information that I -- I'm going to springiness the commencement astatine a schoolhouse that helped to prevention my life.
You know, I got -- I got sent determination due to the fact that I -- radical ever say, why'd you take to spell to subject school? I say, nary 1 chooses to spell to subject school. I was sent due to the fact that I was angry, due to the fact that I was frustrated, due to the fact that I had a hard childhood.
And that spot helped to prevention my life. And I'm arrogant to spell backmost and speech to these cadets. I besides cognize that determination volition beryllium immoderate of those cadets who volition past take to articulation the military. And what I'm going to archer them is, I'm arrogant of them. I'm arrogant of them for choosing a beingness of service. I'm arrogant of them for being capable to combat for our state and combat for our democracy.
But I americium besides praying for them and I'm praying for the enactment of this state that they volition marque decisions with them and their families successful mind, and not conscionable simply marque decisions that I deliberation person been conscionable wrong-headed and foolish connected their face.
ED O'KEEFE: Part of the crushed I wanted to talk with you is, successful different caller interview, you floated a mentation of what the adjacent president is going to person to fig retired and however to signifier what President Trump has done successful -- arsenic you said, into 5 chiseled buckets: what's breached and irreparable, what's breached and tin beryllium fixed, what's breached and needs to beryllium fixed differently, what survives but needs to beryllium broken, and what survives and needs to beryllium sustained.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: You've fixed this immoderate thought.
So I wanted to locomotion you done immoderate circumstantial things and benignant of wonderment what -- what buckets they would autumn into.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: OK.
ED O'KEEFE: Where would you enactment Iran?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Well, I would really enactment Iran into a larger bucket, and that is...
ED O'KEEFE: A sixth bucket?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Well, however we deliberation astir overseas wars.
ED O'KEEFE: OK.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Right?
Because, you know, I deliberation astir Donald Trump ran making 3 promises, right, that helium was going to bring prices down, that helium was going to merchandise the Epstein files, and that helium was not going to get america progressive successful overseas wars.
And the American radical voted for that. And it's onslaught one, onslaught two, onslaught three, because, connected each and each 1 of those things that helium promised, helium did not marque happen. And so, erstwhile I speech astir however the United States subject tin and should beryllium used, arsenic idiosyncratic who has served, arsenic idiosyncratic who has fought for this country, I cognize determination is -- determination are times erstwhile the -- erstwhile the -- erstwhile the United States military, the world's top military, tin and should beryllium used.
And let's beryllium clear. Let's not confuse subject occurrence with the United States subject with strategical success.
ED O'KEEFE: So, reasoning ahead, Iran, is it breached and irreparable? Does it past and request to beryllium sustained? Is it broken, request to beryllium fixed differently, the narration with Iran?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: I deliberation that -- that the narration with Iran close present is -- is not conscionable broken, but I'm not definite if determination has been an articulation of what the way guardant is.
And erstwhile we're talking astir Iran, you're not conscionable talking astir the narration with Iran. You're talking astir Iran's narration with different countries. You're talking astir a larger overseas policy, you know, complication.
And, by the way, we person decided to commencement this warfare erstwhile we're besides doing 2 abstracted things, that we've fundamentally obliterated what we person successful presumption of our brushed power, USAID, however America does its overseas aid, and we're doing it portion the Department of Homeland Security, whose occupation it is to support the homeland safe, is unopen down.
So, this is the -- this is the -- the -- the -- frankly, conscionable the foolishness successful the mode that we're approaching issues of warfare and bid that I deliberation we've got to beryllium capable to address.
ED O'KEEFE: What bucket would you enactment the U.S.' narration with Israel in?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Well, I -- I deliberation the U.S. narration with -- with Israel is -- is an important relationship.
But I think, with immoderate important relationship, determination needs to beryllium accountability. You know, I look astatine the information that we're warring this -- this -- this -- this warfare successful Iran, and 1 of the things that -- there's 3 things you ever anticipation for arsenic a soldier, right, that warfare should ever beryllium the past resort, that the 2nd portion should ever beryllium that you are wide astir your ngo and wide astir your endgame.
And the 3rd is that you person built an planetary coalition. We haven't done immoderate of those things with this warfare that we are waging successful Iran.
ED O'KEEFE: In the midst of each this, the president successful caller days told a gathering astatine the White House that, successful his view, due to the fact that of the 50 states -- punctuation -- "It's not imaginable for america to instrumentality attraction of time care, Medicaid, Medicare, each these idiosyncratic things."
He argues the national authorities shouldn't person to wage for those programs due to the fact that -- punctuation -- "We person to instrumentality attraction of 1 thing, subject protection."
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: That's nonsense. And that's not what immoderate of america want. We don't privation to beryllium warring overseas wars portion you're taking distant our wellness care.
ED O'KEEFE: Could a authorities adjacent wage for Medicaid and Medicare...
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: No.
ED O'KEEFE: ... time attraction without national assistance?
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: So galore of the decisions that this White House is making, they are making with a wide knowing that nary authorities has a fund to say, OK, well, we'll conscionable instrumentality connected wellness attraction oregon we'll conscionable instrumentality connected nutrient insecurity.
We saw that hap past twelvemonth erstwhile the president of the United States broke the instrumentality successful bid to chopped SNAP. In fact, we sued them, and we won, and we bushed him successful tribunal connected this. But we...
ED O'KEEFE: It sounds similar he's going to effort again, though.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: And -- and -- and helium did effort again. He really tried to entreaty the information and, you know, threw a temper tantrum, due to the fact that helium felt -- due to the fact that the judges told him that actually, no, you request to wage for nutrient assistance for people.
And what we ended up doing is, successful Maryland, I really took $63 cardinal retired of our Fiscal Responsibility Fund, which is simply a money that is made up of superior gains taxes, and I said, I'm not going to fto the radical of my authorities spell bare due to the fact that Washington is throwing -- having a nutrient fight.
And truthful we made definite that SNAP and SNAP benefits were not going to beryllium chopped for the radical of Maryland. But it is simply a profoundly unfair inquire to inquire states and/or governors, due to the fact that we bash things that the national authorities has ne'er done -- we really equilibrium our budgets.
And it is an unfair inquire to inquire america to instrumentality connected what should beryllium a associated work due to the fact that the national authorities has decided to halt doing its job.
ED O'KEEFE: We person to permission it there, Governor, but convey you for taking the time.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Thank you.
ED O'KEEFE: And blessed Easter.
GOVERNOR WES MOORE: Happy Easter.
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ED O'KEEFE: We volition beryllium close backmost with a batch much Face the Nation.
Stay with us.
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ED O'KEEFE: On Thursday we spoke with Archbishop Timothy Broglio, the archdiocese for the subject services. He oversees much than 200 priests serving arsenic christianity chaplains successful the U.S. subject connected bases and the battlefield.
We statesman by asking astir the concern successful the Middle East and the spiritual guidance the religion is providing to work members who question it.
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ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO (Archdiocese for the Military Services): We're dealing with a concern successful the Middle East now, for example, wherever the chaplains are inactive successful spot but galore of the dependents person been moved to Europe oregon backmost to the United States. So, they find themselves successful a concern wherever the faithful to whom they were ministering are either gone oregon they're successful hotels. So, that changes the full reality.
And past determination are others, of course, who are with the troops that are -- person been moved successful and, of course, they're -- ministry successful a definite consciousness is simply a small much -- a small much regular. But it's inactive a situation due to the fact that of the situation.
ED O'KEEFE: Given that you're a clergyman ministering to radical successful the military, I ideate overmuch of your work, overmuch of your absorption is built astir St. Augustine and the thought of conscionable war. Or erstwhile is warfare justified. The thought that it's lone waged arsenic a necessity and successful bid that bid whitethorn beryllium obtained and much broadly possibly that the effect is proportional.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: Correct.
ED O'KEEFE: That's to gloss implicit beauteous heavy teachings.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: But fundamentally that's the basal of it.
I cognize that aft the president, for example, threatened to instrumentality Greenland by force, you had said successful an interview, "it doesn't look acceptable to invade a affable nation," and that "such rhetoric tarnishes the images of the United States." You said it would beryllium an "illegal and immoral bid to termination deliberately the survivors abord an alleged Venezuelan (AUDIO GAP) equipped forces.
So, fixed what's going connected successful the Middle East, I'm curious, is the warfare with Iran justified?
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: I would deliberation nether the warrant -- nether the conscionable warfare theory, it is not due to the fact that portion determination is simply a -- determination was a menace with atomic arms, it's a -- it's compensating for a menace earlier the menace is really realized. And I deliberation determination I would -- I would enactment myself up with Pope Leo, who has been urging for negotiation.
I recognize besides that you tin say, well, with whom are you going to negotiate? And that -- that is -- that is simply a problem. But successful the meantime, lives are being lost, some determination and besides among our -- our troops. So, it's -- it is simply a -- it is simply a concern.
ED O'KEEFE: And truthful if you're proceeding from a work subordinate who says, if your teachings, if your guidance says this is not justified, what americium I to bash arsenic a christianity who's successful the service?
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: And that's a precise bully question because, obviously, the mode conscientious objection is acceptable up successful the United States' military, you cannot entity to a circumstantial warfare oregon a circumstantial action. You tin lone entity to, I'm opposed to war. So, I would deliberation it depends connected wherever you are successful the -- successful the concatenation of command. Obviously, you know, the Marine who's fixed an order, he's not successful a presumption truly to defy that order. I mean helium has to obey unless it's intelligibly immoral. And past helium would astir apt person to talk to his, you know, to his chaplain, to his concatenation of command.
The question mightiness be, would -- you know, would generals oregon admirals person abstraction to possibly say, tin we look astatine this a antithetic way?
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: But having spoken to immoderate of them too, they're -- they're besides connected the aforesaid -- successful the aforesaid dilemma. So -- I conjecture my counsel would beryllium to bash arsenic small harm arsenic you -- as you tin and to effort and sphere guiltless lives.
ED O'KEEFE: And you're approaching this from a motivation perspective. This isn't a partisan thing. This isn't ideological for you oregon geopolitical. It's, you're a motivation leader. So, obviously, idiosyncratic successful the work who grapples with this volition question guidance from you and your member chaplains. How often bash they travel to you talking astir however to question forgiveness possibly for being portion of this?
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: That is really thing we've done a batch of enactment connected arsenic an archdiocese, the full question of motivation injury. So, I mean, adjacent if you obey a morganatic bid but you person to termination someone, that's going to permission immoderate traces successful -- you know, successful your -- successful your bosom oregon connected your soul. And truthful determination we've tried to supply structures and assistance to radical successful that concern to effort and assistance them heal from those -- from those situations. And that's not a question of making a judgment, it's conscionable a question of healing the idiosyncratic who finds himself successful that -- oregon herself successful that -- successful that situation.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
You, obviously, and your -- and your member priests are connected Pentagon spot taking orders, obviously, done the subject concatenation of command. There's been a batch of speech successful caller weeks, abstracted from existent warfare itself, regarding the rhetoric of accidental the caput of defense, Pete Hegseth, who openly invokes Jesus repeatedly erstwhile talking astir the warfare with Iran particularly and has prayed openly from the Pentagon property country for blessings upon American work members. Obviously, his close to commune successful nationalist and nevertheless helium sees fit.
But what bash you marque of that benignant of absorption and benignant of trying to formed this warfare arsenic thing that possibly Jesus would justify?
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: It's a small spot problematic successful the consciousness that, you know, the Lord Jesus surely brought a connection of -- a connection of peace. And besides I deliberation warfare is ever a past resort. Now, you know, they whitethorn person accusation that led them to deliberation that that was the lone prime they had. I'm not making a judgement astir that due to the fact that I truly don't know.
ED O'KEEFE: No.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: But I bash deliberation that it's hard to formed this war, you know, arsenic thing that would beryllium sponsored by the Lord.
ED O'KEEFE: And that's surely thing the pope has suggesting himself, right?
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: Not commenting connected the secretary, but commenting connected warfare generally. That this thought that, you know, if you're praying for the occurrence of the war, what is it helium said recent, helium said, God does not perceive to the prayers of those who wage warfare but rejects them.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: I mean that would look to enactment a batch of what's going connected close present successful conflict.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: It surely -- it surely would. And I crook backmost to -- conscionable to Paul VI, who made precise fewer trips extracurricular of Italy. But erstwhile helium did travel to the U.N., helium made that melodramatic appeal, which I saw unrecorded connected tv arsenic a -- arsenic a small kid. You know, (Speaking successful Foreign Language), ne'er again war, ne'er again war. And yet that was successful 1965, I think. Now, truthful galore years later, we're inactive -- we're inactive successful this situation. So, I deliberation -- I deliberation I would beryllium successful -- I deliberation Pope Leo would decidedly enactment saying that, you know, we person to find a concern wherever men and women tin beryllium down and find avenues of peace.
ED O'KEEFE: In our remaining moments, you evidently curate chiefly to christianity work members. But this is simply a beatified season. Passover underway. Ramadan precocious having ended. And yet connected the battlefield, it doesn't substance to your member chaplains whether they're christianity oregon protestant oregon Jewish. What's the interfaith dialog similar these days, particularly astatine a clip of war?
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: I deliberation it's precise steadfast successful the consciousness that determination is simply a genuine tendency to collaborate. Actually, I cognize astir of the rabbis successful the services due to the fact that we often question astatine the aforesaid -- the aforesaid time, for us, Christmas and Easter, for them, Passover and Hanukkah.
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: And they're less successful number. So, I surely get to conscionable them. But determination is simply a genuine tone of collaboration and there's a tendency to facilitate the enactment of chaplains and I deliberation that's a precise -- it's a precise steadfast thing.
ED O'KEEFE: Well, convey you for being present connected this Easter weekend. And convey you, obviously, for your service, not lone to the country, but to the faith. We admit you spending immoderate clip with us.
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY BROGLIO: Thank you. Thank you precise overmuch for the opportunity.
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ED O'KEEFE: And we'll beryllium backmost successful a moment.
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ED O'KEEFE: We crook present to our governmental panel. David Sanger is the White House and nationalist information analogous for "The New York Times" and the writer of "New Cold Wars." The paperback transcript is coming retired connected Tuesday. You should cheque that out. Amy Walter is the steadfast and editor-in-chief of "The Cook Political Report with Amy Walter." And Jeff Mason is simply a Washington analogous astatine "Bloomberg," making his "FACE THE NATION" debut.
So, Jeff, astatine slightest nether my rules, you get the archetypal question.
JEFF MASON (Washington Correspondent, "Bloomberg"): OK.
ED O'KEEFE: This past week the White House tried selling the warfare with Iran arsenic a bully thing. Then we had this combatant pitchy changeable down. Both unit connected committee person present been rescued. How's that income transportation landing with the American public?
JEFF MASON: Well, fig one, I deliberation it's close to telephone it a income pitch. And it's a precocious income transportation due to the fact that the president did not springiness an code similar that astatine the opening of the war, which astir presidents would bash earlier a subject conflict. Number two, successful the code connected Wednesday night, helium truly utilized income pitchy language, talking astir however agelong erstwhile wars person been, however this is not going to beryllium that long, going backmost to World War I and World War II.
But past the governmental hazard to those remarks and his full benignant of strategy rhetorically skyrocketed aft an airplane was changeable down successful Iran. So, surely the information that they person recovered that crewman is simply a immense governmental triumph for him. But determination is sill important governmental hazard because, to your question, this is simply a precise unpopular war. There's inactive immoderate enactment wrong his basal for it, but polling shows that Americans writ ample bash not.
ED O'KEEFE: So, this is inactive a timeline, the 2 to 3 week speech much rooted successful possibly economical considerations and subject goals, astatine slightest based connected your reporting?
JEFF MASON: He is nether important unit due to the fact that of the gasoline prices being up. It besides has taken away, speaking of rhetoric, a talking constituent that he's been precise blessed to usage for the past twelvemonth and a half, saying that he's liable for having brought prices down. Now helium is intelligibly liable for having brought prices up, and that's thing that Americans volition deliberation astir erstwhile they spell to the polls.
ED O'KEEFE: So, Amy, this was expected to beryllium the twelvemonth of affordability for the White House and Republicans.
AMY WALTER (Editor-In-Chief, Cook Political Report): It was.
ED O'KEEFE: It's not truly -- astatine slightest that's not the absorption close now. We -- I mean our polling, for example, 84 percent of Republicans are inactive with him connected this war.
AMY WALTER: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: But astir 70 percent of independents disapprove of subject action. This is each -- I mean it's April.
AMY WALTER: This is each churning up.
ED O'KEEFE: Churning towards occupation successful November, right?
AMY WALTER: Yes. Yes. Now, look, it is lone April. So, we inactive person clip for this to determination its mode done the process. And it is existent that the president present is looking astatine his lowest support ratings of his 2nd word this week. And a batch of that is driven by the information that he's mislaid the benignant of beardown enactment from Republicans. I don't deliberation Republicans person near him. I conscionable deliberation that they are feeling precise dispirited. And that is what gets Republicans the astir tense is strength and enthusiasm. Democrats are fired up. Republicans are not. If that continues arsenic we determination done this electoral season, that's erstwhile things get truly atrocious for the Republican Party successful November.
ED O'KEEFE: David, this rescue operation, successful, elaborate and was executed successful nether 48 hours. But what bash you marque of it and what we've heard from the president this morning? A clump of connection we can't repetition connected broadcast television.
DAVID SANGER (White House and National Security Correspondent, "NEW YORK TIMES": Yes. So, first, we should each observe the information that they've got some these crewmen back.
ED O'KEEFE: Absolutely.
DAVID SANGER: It's a miracle. And it's an adjacent occurrence that you could enactment hundreds of troops successful to get them retired and nary casualties there.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
DAVID SANGER: We've mislaid six craft successful the past mates of days. They tin beryllium replaced oregon repaired. But the information of the substance is that that tells you there's accelerating hazard here. And if you took the president's menace this greeting to spell aft bridges and spell aft the electrical grid, we'll acceptable speech for a moment, Ed, the information that these would astir apt beryllium warfare crimes nether the Geneva Convention.
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
DAVID SANGER: The White House volition reason it wasn't due to the fact that it besides feeds the military.
If you acceptable that aside, the information remains that the president inactive finds himself successful a container here. He's trying to unfastened up the Strait. That was a occupation that got created aft the warfare started.
He has not truly explained however he's going to woody with the atomic worldly and adjacent weaponry people material. He said that was a crushed to spell in. This past week helium said, oh, I don't truly attraction astir it that much. It's buried deep. We'll ticker it connected satellite. Well, we were watching it connected outer earlier the warfare started, right?
And I cognize helium says there's been authorities alteration but we haven't seen overmuch authorities alteration here.
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
DAVID SANGER: We person conscionable seen the alteration of personnel.
So, he's got a batch of things to spell execute if he's going to get retired of this and beryllium capable to assertion to those voters that helium got thing retired of this.
AMY WALTER: Well, and much to that point, the fund that helium enactment guardant this week is spending truthful overmuch much wealth connected the subject than connected home priorities. And that goes -- that --
DAVID SANGER: $1.5 trillion.
AMY WALTER: That's right.
ED O'KEEFE: And helium made that --
AMY WALTER: That cuts against everything what (ph) your saying, we request to marque beingness much affordable. Our fig 1 precedence is to marque beingness much affordable for Americans. To merchandise a fund that increases wealth lone for the subject and past cuts home programs is not a large pitch.
ED O'KEEFE: And helium made that astounding remark that due to the fact that the national authorities should lone beryllium focused connected subject protection, the authorities should wage for Medicare, Medicaid and daycare, and it was caught connected camera, astir apt coming to run ads adjacent america soon.
JEFF MASON: I was conscionable going to say, you cognize however some Republicans and Democrats perceive a punctuation that they think, oh, that's going to beryllium the pb of my adjacent run ad. That's 1 for Democrats.
And helium risks -- he's not conscionable losing immoderate Dems, surely independents going into this election, but helium -- he's investigating the tolerance of his base.
I was astatine CPAC a small implicit a week agone and determination were a batch of grassroots supporters determination who said we inactive enactment President Trump, we inactive enactment this war. But determination were surely immoderate who started to question it. And we've besides seen rather a spot of part astatine the person level of MAGA and Republicans and that messaging sinks down to the basal arsenic well.
AMY WALTER: Yes.
ED O'KEEFE: In our remaining moments, Amy, I privation to commencement with you. You heard Governor Moore. More than blessed to knock the warfare effort. But failed to supply immoderate specifics connected what he'd bash differently. And that -- portion Republicans are --
AMY WALTER: Well, this is --
ED O'KEEFE: In a spot of a -- successful a spot of a pickle this twelvemonth --
AMY WALTER: Right.
ED O'KEEFE: Democrats aren't overmuch liked for that precise reason.
AMY WALTER: Pickle. This is what's going to beryllium fascinating. This 2028 predetermination rhythm that we are precise adjacent to travel -- bumping into, judge it oregon not, is going to beryllium the archetypal predetermination successful 10 years wherever Donald Trump is not the centerpiece of it. Or wherever candidates should -- would bash good to not marque Donald Trump the centerpiece of it. I deliberation Americans are looking for, for some parties, an thought of who these parties are, what they basal for, what they're going to bash for me, alternatively than however they're going to acceptable into a satellite that Trump has truly dominated politically for the past many, galore years.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes. I gave him recognition for the thought that -- I was intrigued by that buckets mentation that helium had, but helium intelligibly couldn't capable it yet.
AMY WALTER: Well, yes.
ED O'KEEFE: And that's portion of the occupation he's --
AMY WALTER: This is what -- and this is -- we're astatine this place, and you cognize due to the fact that you're going to beryllium astatine a batch of these games.
ED O'KEEFE: Right.
AMY WALTER: This is outpouring grooming for politicians close now. And this is however they get their swings in.
ED O'KEEFE: In our remaining minute, David, I'd beryllium remiss if we didn't notation contiguous the ouster of Army Chief of Staff General Randy George.
DAVID SANGER: Right.
ED O'KEEFE: Essentially pushed retired by Pete Hegseth.
What does removing idiosyncratic similar him bash to the serviceman ranks and to the fertile and record overall?
DAVID SANGER: So, I deliberation what amazed radical is the grade to which Secretary Hegseth has reached mode down into the system. And the divided with Randy George was successful portion implicit Hegseth's insistence that they not beforehand 2 achromatic and 2 women candidates for 1 prima general.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
DAVID SANGER: Very uncommon you'd spot anybody get into that.
Just 1 last, speedy constituent connected your absorbing interrogation with Governor Moore.
What I deliberation Democrats person to get their heads astir present is, what are they going to accidental astir Iran?
ED O'KEEFE: Yes.
DAVID SANGER: Are we -- tin we permission atomic worldly there? What are they going to accidental astir the priorities of a president who has not emphasized China, which we person been told is the existential governmental and economical and technological competitor? We haven't heard that from them yet.
ED O'KEEFE: We person not. We volition hold to perceive from that -- from them astir that successful the coming months.
Thank you each for being here.
We person to spell to the satellite next. So, well, benignant of. We'll explicate successful a moment. Stay with us.
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ED O'KEEFE: This morning, the Artemis II unit is person to the satellite than ever before. Here's a look astatine the exterior of the Orion capsule this morning. The 4 astronauts wrong are prepping a six-hour fly-by astir the acold broadside of the satellite tomorrow.
For an update, we spell present to NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman, who is wrong Houston's Mission Control.
Administrator, convey you truthful overmuch for being present with us.
The 4 astronauts connected committee are astir halfway done the ngo now. What, successful your view, the astir captious infinitesimal of the adjacent 24 to 48 hours?
JARED ISAACMAN (NASA Administrator): Well, I would accidental -- and first, bully morning. Happy Easter, Ed.
What -- the superior nonsubjective close present for this signifier of the ngo is continuing to stitchery information from the ECLIS system, the beingness enactment strategy connected the Orion spacecraft. This is the archetypal clip we've ever had humans connected committee the Orion spacecraft. We privation to stitchery arsenic overmuch information arsenic we perchance tin for that. Of course, there's assorted subject experiments. There's lunar observations. But learning arsenic overmuch arsenic we tin astir Orion is critically important due to the fact that Artemis III is simply a twelvemonth away. That's wherever we're going to trial the aforesaid spacecraft with our lunar landers. Followed up successful 2028 by Artemis IV, wherever we're going to usage this spacecraft transportation unit to the landers and enactment American astronauts backmost connected the aboveground of the moon.
ED O'KEEFE: You marque a bully point, this is simply a trial ngo and it's investigating arsenic overmuch the vas that they're successful arsenic overmuch arsenic what they're looking for. But they are going to person to spends immoderate clip connected Monday fundamentally looking retired the windows and looking for parts of the satellite that we fundamentally person not truly seen before. What specifically are they looking for?
JARED ISAACMAN: Well, I would person to say, aft a 250,000-mile travel distant from world to the acold broadside of the moon, it would beryllium beauteous hard to support them distant from those windows.
ED O'KEEFE: Absolutely.
JARED ISAACMAN: But they perfectly person reflection responsibilities connected that. They person a bid of antithetic cameras. They're going to get information from that for sure. They've really had an accidental for 3 and a fractional years to bid for this mission, to enactment with our scientists connected the accusation they would similar to stitchery astir astir the acold broadside of the moon. But each of this comes unneurotic to pass consequent missions similar Artemis III, but astir importantly present Artemis IV, which is wherever we're going to really get those astronauts backmost connected the surface.
ED O'KEEFE: Yes, to your point, you privation to onshore 1 and perchance 2 missions connected the satellite conscionable 2 years from now. NASA hired SpaceX and Blue Origin to physique the lunar landers that volition present astronauts to the aboveground of the moon. What are you doing to guarantee that astatine slightest 1 of the 2 companies is going to beryllium acceptable to bash that?
JARED ISAACMAN: Well, I'll archer you, we're doing a batch of things antithetic implicit the past mates months, right? I mean President Trump gave maine a nationalist abstraction argumentation that called for America's instrumentality to the satellite with frequence to found an enduring presence, the physique the satellite basal and bash different breathtaking things similar atomic powerfulness and propulsion. And we got $10 cardinal worthy of resources retired of the 1 big, beauteous bill, the Working Families Tax Cut Act. Now we are really going to work. We are taking NASA's taxable substance experts and we are embedding them crossed the proviso chain. Every premier contractor, sub-contractor, each constituent connected the captious way from the rocket itself to the landers to the suits that astronauts volition request to deterioration connected the aboveground of the moon. And we are driving outcomes. We are not going to beryllium passive anymore. We're not going to fto budgets -- you know, get overbudget oregon down schedule. Not erstwhile there's truthful overmuch astatine involvement erstwhile it comes to America's instrumentality to the moon.
So, we are driving outcomes and that surely includes the lunar landers.
ED O'KEEFE: Quickly then, however does a fund -- projected fund chopped of much than 20 percent perchance impact these plans?
JARED ISAACMAN: Yes, truthful I surely enactment President Trump and his 2027 fund request. Look, we person a -- we person 26 appropriations, we person $10 cardinal successful supplemental backing that came retired of the -- President Trump's signature legislation, the Working Family Tax Cut Act. I mean, this is the biggest, you know, supplemental put successful NASA since the Kennedy era. These resources are the lone crushed we tin accelerate accumulation to get to the moon, to adhd a ngo successful '27, which is Artemis III, to physique the satellite basal and bash each the different things similar launching the archetypal interplanetary atomic powered spacecraft successful 2028 that's going to spell past Mars, merchandise a clump of copters and a full batch of different subject missions. I deliberation the American nationalist and the taxpayers should beryllium judging NASA based connected outcomes and not however rapidly we tin walk wealth each year.
ED O'KEEFE: In 20 seconds of less, arsenic they walk connected the different broadside of the satellite time for astir 40 minutes, what's going to -- what are you going to beryllium reasoning astir arsenic the astronauts bash that?
JARED ISAACMAN: Well, I got to archer you, radical person been asking meme questions astir the, you know, the nonaccomplishment of comms arsenic we spell astir the moon. That is thing we're precise utilized to successful abstraction flight. Mission Control, arsenic you said. Astronauts are utilized to that arsenic they spell done training. So, little astir the nonaccomplishment of comm connected the acold broadside of the moon. I'm ever going to beryllium reasoning astir the beingness enactment systems connected the conveyance due to the fact that it's a trial mission. But I'll archer you, astir importantly, I'm reasoning astir the thermal extortion systems and erstwhile these astronauts are nether parachute, safely successful the h2o truthful we tin get them backmost to their families.
ED O'KEEFE: Administrator Jared Isaacman, successful Houston, convey you truthful overmuch for joining america connected this Easter Sunday. We admit it.
And that is it for america today. Thank you for watching. Margaret volition beryllium backmost adjacent Sunday.
Until then, for "FACE THE NATION," I'm Ed O'Keefe.
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